Lewisham police lied re CCTV -2

Continued from https://asblewishame.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/lewisham-police-lied-re-cctv-1/

Lewisham police and their partner Lewisham Council have both knowingly told the self-same lie about the CCTV evidence, saying CCTV had been in place but didn’t support my ‘allegations’ but both knew the footage hadn’t even been retrieved.

Their lie has been told to my MP, it was told in an MG11 and Case Summary to maliciously prosecute me, it was used to maliciously refer me to mental health services, it was even repeated to me by the IPCC in their letter refusing my complaint Appeal, and still in 2013 it was being repeated in Lewisham police records to discredit me –

so here is more proof that Lewisham police were deliberatly lying because they knew the footage hadn’t been retrieved – by this time, March 2011, over forty incidents had been suffered/reported –

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There was a witness to this incident when I was repeatedly threatened with violence/death but Lewisham police kept delaying trying to speak to them and never actually did – and I have to put up with Lewisham police telling everyone there was no evidence.

Email below from PC722PL Wren, saying he’ll ask for the CCTV himself if Lewisham Council don’t reply to me…

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Email below dated 20/03/11 is me asking PC 722PL Wren to meet with me re all the threats and harassment and to view the CCTV footage of several incidents including threats of violence on 02/3/11 and 04/03/11…

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The meeting I requested in the above email never happened.

On 16/04/11 Pc722PL Wren told me he had viewed the CCTV but there were no incidents on the footage, this was shocking and I sent him the following email saying he cannot have viewed the footage for the several dates/times I had listed for him, that it was completely unacceptable, that this needed investigating and asking for his urgent advice on how to proceed…

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On 17/04/11 Pc722PL Wren replied as below and I then spoke to him and asked him to tell me the dates/times on the CCTV he had watched, he said he didn’t know (!) and would ask Lewisham Council and then sent me the email below…

From: Chris.Wren@met.police.uk [mailto:Chris.Wren@met.police.uk]
Sent: 17 April 2011 12:23
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Lisa.Spall@lewisham.gov.uk
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 17/04/11

Dear xxxxxxx,

I will (as you can see above) forward this to Lisa who has control of the CCTV. I will await a response from Lisa and I will view anything that she gives me and of course act upon it.

Chris Wren 722PL

I didn’t know at the time but a few months later I discovered that Lewisham Council had replied to Pc722PL Wren on 27/04/11, telling him the footage he had watched was the only CCTV they had – and that wasn’t the only email between them, behind my back they were mocking me and I’ll post those emails another time…

From: Spall, Lisa [mailto:Lisa.Spall@lewisham.gov.uk]
Sent: 27 April 2011 15:30
To: Wren Chris – PL
Subject: RE: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes the meeting will go ahead – im out the office from today back 10th May 2011 ( this is the only CCTV we have), I will let you know when I return the date for the meeting

On 05/05/11 I sent PC722PL Wren another email –

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 05 May 2011 22:49
To: Wren Chris – PL
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11
Dear Pc Wren

Wondered if Lisa has advised you of the dates/times of the footage you viewed, if not would be grateful if you could send another email to her…

He then claimed he hadn’t had a response from Lewisham Council – but he had, as above on 27/04/11 Lisa Spall had told him “this is the only CCTV we have“.

I  do feel one can reasonably expect a police officer to be concerned when CCTV evidence is repeately ‘lost’, particularly perhaps when the footage relates to incidents against a repeat victim since 2009 – but not PC722PL Wren, he chose to lie to me about it –

From: Chris.Wren@met.police.uk [mailto:Chris.Wren@met.police.uk]
Sent: 06 May 2011 17:01
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Lisa.Spall@lewisham.gov.uk
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11


How have things been?…

I will forward this to Lisa as I have not yet got a response.

PC Wren 722PL

As I hadn’t had any further reply from PC722PL Wren or Lewisham Council I emailed him again on 26/05/11…

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 26 May 2011 22:39
To: Wren Chris – PL
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11 26/05/11
Dear Pc Wren

Wondered if you have had a reply yet from Lisa Spall, in response to your emails to her of 17 April 2011 and 06 May 2011?

He replied, still stringing me along…

From: Chris.Wren@met.pnn.police.uk [mailto:Chris.Wren@met.pnn.police.uk]
Sent: 27 May 2011 14:08
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cc: Spall, Lisa
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11 26/05/11
Dear xxxxxxx,

Unfortunately not. I shall again forward this email (as you can see in the address box)


Finally, Lewisham Council cc an email to me about the missing CCTV – ah…no…no answers about the dates of the CCTV they did have, not letting me know about all the ‘lost’ CCTV – well they wouldn’t want to treat me with any dignity or respect would they…

From: Spall, Lisa [mailto:Lisa.Spall@lewisham.gov.uk]
Sent: 27 May 2011 15:31
To: ‘Chris.Wren@met.pnn.police.uk’
Cc: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11 26/05/11

Hi Chris,

The Footage will have a date the container ( which you still have) , By the way can you pls get them back to me ASAP

Sorry about delaying reply but I thought Id already replied.
Lisa Spall

So, after three months of repeatedly asking I still couldn’t get any answers from Pc722PL Wren or Lewisham Council – and this was how it always was, they were just stringing me along all the time – but I tried again…

From: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 01 June 2011 19:21
To: Wren Chris – PL
Subject: FW: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11 26/05/11 01/06/11
Dear Pc Wren

Given Lisa Spall’s email would be very grateful if you would let me know the dates and times of the footage as soon as you can.

He replied, would you believe it there had been a “miss communication”

From: Chris.Wren@met.police.uk [mailto:Chris.Wren@met.police.uk]
Sent: 03 June 2011 10:22
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: URGENT re 3234950/10 05/05/11 26/05/11 01/06/11


Apologies there seems to be a slight miss communication. I have already emailed Lisa informing her that the disc was in the front office at PD ready for her collection. I did this after I viewed it some time ago. I emailed her again last week and hopefully she now has it. If its still in the safe Ill grab it and let you know.


I had to give up, I sent an email to PC722PL Wren telling him this –

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 07 June 2011 16:42
To: ‘Chris.Wren@met.police.uk’
Subject: FW: Re 3234950/10 07/06/11

Dear Pc Wren

Thank you for your email; I still to this day have not been advised of these details.

I have, therefore, had to give up – it is just too tiring, stressful and upsetting to keep trying but never getting the information despite all my repeated efforts since December 2010/January 2011 to ensure the footage of incidents I reported was obtained, and to try to find out whether or not this footage had been obtained.

Also, despite my repeated efforts to be informed of the dates and times of the footage you viewed on 12/04/11 – as our emails below – information which was needed to establish why, from what you told me, you had not viewed any of the incidents I reported and to try to obtain the correct footage.

PC722PL Wren’s response – concern a repeat victim felt like/had been treated like this? concern lots of CCTV evidence of incidents had been ‘lost’?  sorry he hadn’t bothered to note the dates/times of footage he’d viewed? prompted to take some action?


From: Chris.Wren@met.police.uk [mailto:Chris.Wren@met.police.uk]
Sent: 14 June 2011 14:20
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Re 3234950/10 07/06/11


You can (hopefully) see that every request re the CCTV I’ve forwarded to Lisa who is the owner of it…

I eventually gleaned that the footage he had viewed was the “poor quality”/”very poor quality” footage for 03/01/11…

and the footage for 01/01/11…

which was a date I had not reported any incident but Lewisham Council had inexplicably collected footage – see https://asblewishame.wordpress.com/2014/12/02/lies-of-lewisham-police-5/

and PC722PL Wren knew I hadn’t reported an incident on 01/01/11 because I’d listed dates of incidents for him in my email 20 March 2011 (as above).

As the previous posts and above prove, PC722PL Wren was fully aware he had seen only “poor quality”/”very poor quality” footage for one incident of all those I had reported during this time…

and he knew very well that all the other CCTV evidence had been ‘lost’…

yet he subsequently maliciously arrested me and to discredit me he deliberately lied in an MG11 and Case Summary about the evidence, telling the same lie as Lewisham Council that ‘CCTV had been installed but didn’t support her allegations’ although he was fully aware the CCTV footage hadn’t even been retrieved.

There are names for people who lie and deceive like PC722PL Wren – ‘policeman’ should NOT be one of them.






One thought on “Lewisham police lied re CCTV -2

  1. l8in 29/05/2015 at 6:24 pm Reply

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